Peril awaits us without serious changes in understanding

By Jan Dolcater | Sep 12, 2019

A recent survey done by The Wall Street Journal and NBC reported on the New York Magazine Intelligencer website revealed some very disheartening statistics regarding our millennial generation. They apparently lack an understanding of our history and it is exhibited in their values, or in the lack of them. Let me explain the outlook of two age groups and a perspective of their areas of importance for our vision and success as a nation.

The survey covered several important aspects of life in America, of which three are shown below:

Viewpoint of Millennials

Patriotism 42%

Believe in God 30%

Having children 32%

Viewpoint of age 55 and over

Patriotism  79%

Believe in God  67%

Having children  54%

All of the percentages of the millennials represent significant declines in perceived importance from previous surveys. Patriotism fell by 9 percent, belief in God by 12 percent and having children by 16 percent.

Hard work was regarded as important by both age groups in the area of 80 percent. However, self fulfillment was more important to millennials than family. Before proceeding to any other thoughts, I ask that you consider the relevance of these numbers and what they portray for the future. I strongly believe the character and beliefs of our Founding Fathers, which stressed honor with patriotism meshed with their belief in God was essential in our founding and growth as the most forward-looking and freedom-loving nation that has ever been created.

Let me emphasize the viewpoint of the Founding Fathers by reviewing several of their quotations. Our first president, George Washington, reminded his contemporaries that “religion and morality are indispensable supports” and asked who “can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of this fabric.” I believe they have particular merit in our society today. What about you?

Please give thoughtful awareness to another quotation from one of our Founding Fathers. James Madison, our fourth president, known as “The Father of our Constitution,” made the following statement: “We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.”

Thomas Jefferson, our third president, the primary author of the Declaration of Independence, worried that the courts would overstep their authority and instead of interpreting the law would begin to make the law, and thereby jeopardize our freedom These three men epitomize the wisdom and deep feeling of patriotism for our then fledgling nation

It is very disturbing and disheartening to see the peril that the future holds for our children and grandchildren without a serious change in the direction of the thinking and actions of the current generation of the young. Never, ever forget that without morality and religion combined with feelings and enthusiasm for patriotism, our beloved country will plunge headlong into self-absorbed, hedonistic oblivion.

It is also important to consider this quotation from Ronald Reagan, our 40th president, “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be protected and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will greet our sunset and tell our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States when we were free.”

Without significant changes in the far left of center education indoctrination, which is teaching the benefits of socialism, God-fearing patriots will face very difficult odds defeating this challenge. Another quotation from Reagan is meaningful here, as he said, ”Now back in 1927 an American socialist, Norman Thomas, six-time candidate for president on the Socialist Party, said the American people would never adopt socialism. But he said under the name of liberalism the American people will accept every fragment of the socialist program.” Does this have a familiar ring or significance to you?

Concerted efforts must also be made to overwhelm the blur from social media and the outpouring of venom from the media that finds it so easy to unfairly call so many racists. Please get involved, do what you can to help millennials have an understanding of reality. Do not stand on the sidelines and let the future of our beloved nation decline into the dustbin of history.

Comments (39)
Posted by: Kevin Riley | Sep 19, 2019 12:41

Jan,

There you go again committing the sin of pride.

If you mean the first 10 commandments, you do know there are 603 more commandments, right.



Posted by: JUNE DOLCATER | Sep 19, 2019 09:37

Horvath, Riley, Stanley

I want to thank each of you for responding and expressing your outlooks. Ron, the God I follow has neither a label of liberal or conservative and is the only true God. Hope you become acquainted with Him. Riley, for an individual, who claims to have read the Bible from cover to cover, I recommend you should read further as it is obvious you retained little of its substance.  I agree with you that all of us fall short  of following all of the commandments, but each with confession can be forgiven, Faith, by the way, has nothing to do with feelings or outward appearance. FAITH rests simply on the Word of God. Lastly, Mr. Stanley. faith and belief in God may be private but it is also to be shared. Don't be shy.

For you three, as you continue to proceed on a pathway of doing things your way, remember any road will get you there, but when you get there it may not be where you want to be. Also once there you will find no return passage. All the best.

Jan Dolcater Rockland



Posted by: Ronald Horvath | Sep 19, 2019 06:48

As usual substantive argument ends when Eric the Hysteric turns to his normal name calling nonsense.  It's the trump method, but that's the purpose for right wingers with nothing to add, just degrade the conservation with useless noise.  As the saying goes, it's like wrestling with a pig.  He's the only one who enjoys getting down into the crap.



Posted by: Ralph Stanley | Sep 18, 2019 19:29

Entertain Herr Schrader and/or the Jan Dolcater individual if you feel the need. They are not valid. They are there to distract. The clown sits back and finds it entertaining that one would respond to his nonsense considering you less than having done so. Give him nothing, Asking one if they believe in God having stated that ones belief is between the two is irrelevant. What truth lies behind the question? Neither is worth any response. You become as ignorant as they wish you to be.



Posted by: Kevin Riley | Sep 18, 2019 18:34

Thank you Eric for making my point.

 

“Riley, the no cross the T's and dot the i's guy who is the product of a government education”

Unless one goes to private school we are all products of government education.

“their Blatter is significantly discounted by all fair minded, rational people”

Unlike you, that is neither fair minded nor rational.

You are nothing more than a school yard bully and we all know why bullies do what they do.

 

 



Posted by: Eric Schrader | Sep 18, 2019 18:04

Well Jan Dolcater, you've gotten a good taste of the three Stooges. And who are those Stooges you might ask? None other than Riley, Stanley and Horvath. Sounds like an ambulance chasing law firm. But no fear, Schrader is here. That's Mr. Schrader to you Stanley, the Northpoint resident that can't see the lights of Belfast cause his outhouse is blocking them. Then there's Riley, the no cross the T's and dot the i's guy who is the product of a government education and last, but not least, is "Cut and Paste" Horvath, the rambling wrecking ball from Knox County. But don't worry, their Blatter is significantly discounted by all fair minded, rational people. The ones that aren't blinded by the tree hugging, left wing progressives.



Posted by: Ronald Horvath | Sep 18, 2019 17:29

And again, Jan, I have to ask exactly what "God" is it that you believe in.  Do you consider yourself a "Christian?" You want to know whether or not I believe in God but when I question your faith in the Christian God you change the subject and avoid answering.  Could it be that avoiding the answer is indicative of your avoiding the actual requirement's of that belief.  If you and the rest of the right can't obey Christ's commands does it count as "belief?"  How can modern American pseudo-christians justify their "belief" if that belief doesn't actually mean following the tenets of the religion?  I guess it's easy to convince yourself that God has your back if you've never followed his commandments and gotten away with it.  Somehow I don't think it works that way.



Posted by: Kevin Riley | Sep 18, 2019 13:09

"By the way Kevin, all of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were Christian"

And????? Just about everyone in the executive branch today makes the same claim, but they not.
Reading the papers, letters and speeches of the founders I find that religion in general and Christianity specifically had little to nothing to do with the founding of the nation.


Then there is Article VI, Clause 3 of the constitution. By its plain terms, no federal officeholder or employee can be required to adhere to or accept any particular religion or doctrine as a prerequisite to holding a federal office or a federal government job.

Then there aforementioned Article 11 of the treaty of Tripoli.

Having read the bible cover to cover and studied its teachings both new and old testament I submit there are no Christians living today. None follow the teachings as they pick and chose what works for them in the moment.

Faith = belief without evidence.
Your belief system works for you, great. Don't admonish others that don't follow your belief system. That my good sir is the sin of pride, an abomination. 



Posted by: Kevin Riley | Sep 18, 2019 12:51

Eric,

P.S. I forgot to mention your seething hatred.



Posted by: Kevin Riley | Sep 18, 2019 12:32

Well Eric,
It's imposable to take you seriously on any subject when over 90% of your posts are nothing but 12-year-old foot-stomping vitriol.
Name-calling, trolling, conspiracy theories, and lies. You almost never back anything up with demonstrable, verifiable sources and when you do supply sources they are shown to be much less than valid. Then, when someone does supply multiple sources that counter your vitriol you ignore them or just stomp your feet again with no valid counter.  Even when those sources are from both sides of the aisle.

So, you don’t take posts seriously because of some spelling or grammar errors?
Just a little OCD in that regard thinking that you need correct.

And again, you will ignore these as you did last time.

https://www.psychreg.org/grammar-nazis/
https://www.businessinsider.com/people-who-correct-typos-may-be-jerks-study-finds-2016-3



Posted by: JUNE DOLCATER | Sep 18, 2019 11:10

Horvath, Riley, Stanley

Again I ask the question of each of you, do you believe in God? In response to a comment there is only one true God and you either know Him and accept Him or not. As I stated previously, we all have free will, so each of us may choose as see fit. Choose with care.

It was said my last post was about me, which is not accurate. It was about what God allowed me to achieve, Since without His guidance I could have never been successful in repaying my creditors. Another fact I wish to make is this, during the first two years of my struggle with bankruptcy on every Monday I had no idea how I would be able to make payroll on Friday for the  5 loyal employees that stayed with me. However, during that trial I never missed paying them on time and that would never have happened without the guiding hand of God and not my own

A point that each of you have overlooked and it is this. I am not condemning the millennial generation, rather it is the parents and/or grandparents that did not teach their children the need to accept God in their lives. Without this foundation within another generation or two the number who believe in God will decline even more precipitously The same is also in relation to feelings of patriotism. Without an understanding of our history which is so poorly taught throughout the education system today the younger generations are then easily swayed by the press and social media

It should be understood there has never been a nation that did not go through a cycle of success, then peaked and declined into chaos through a lack of morality and degradation If our beloved country is to avoid this pitfall it must return to our Christian roots. By the way Kevin, all of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were Christian with the exception of two deists, Franklin and Jefferson and also a Quaker.

One last thought for you to consider Ron, and that is this reality. Belief in God does not depend on the actions or lack thereof of others. It is strictly between yourself and God.

Jan Dolcater, Rockland



Posted by: Ronald Horvath | Sep 18, 2019 09:23

And yet Eric you take everything your lying president says as gospel, right?  Go figure.

 

"We've got this perverse situation in which the vast analytic power of the entire world are being spent trying to understand a guy whose thoughts are often just six fireflies beeping randomly in a jar."  -David Brooks.



Posted by: Eric Schrader | Sep 18, 2019 08:12

Well Kevin, it's hard to take anyone seriously when they are so sloppy about getting their message out, whatever that might be. And never "metion" it? Must be that government education at work! I rest my case!



Posted by: Kevin Riley | Sep 18, 2019 06:56

Eric,

I'm so sorry you’re embarrassed to read something that has some spelling errors. Most can look past that and get what is being said and never metion it. I will endeavor to proofread more often so you won't be as embarrassed in the future.
As for me, I'm not embarrassed in the slightest.

https://www.psychreg.org/grammar-nazis/

https://www.businessinsider.com/people-who-correct-typos-may-be-jerks-study-finds-2016-3



Posted by: Eric Schrader | Sep 18, 2019 04:45

Hey Kevin, you might want to proof your response before hitting the "create post" button. It's kind of embarrassing to read:

Reread what I posted and this time try to comprehend what I said because obviously you didn’t the fist time.
You OP just proves you really know nothing of the millennial generation, nothing. The last 20 years of my career I worked mostly with millennials and you, and you sources couldn’t be more wrong.
You sources are wrong and written by people who have done no research what so ever (should be one word), zero.
They parrot made up crap the gets traction without any verification or evidence.

It truly is sad that the older generations have to denigrate the generations coming up behind them.
It.Is.Sad……



Posted by: Ralph Stanley | Sep 17, 2019 19:29

• Nordic Aqua Farm (NAF) is primarily about meeting global consumer demand as well as providing food security to the United States. • Achieving food security is more important than side impacts to the land/environment • Critiques surrounding feed, disease, water impact, etc. will all be addressed by future technology. For example, within 3 years most salmon farms like NAF will use zero fish meal in their feed. • Industrial salmon should not be a threat to wild-caught nor other values-based seafood. NAF is meeting a distinct market demand for cheap salmon. If they don't meet that demand someone else will. • If small and medium scale fishermen are struggling, its a failure of their ability (and the government's ability) to effectively market their catch



Posted by: Kevin Riley | Sep 17, 2019 19:02

Jan,

"Riley attempts to say all of the references were from Fox or Limbaugh"

Reread what I posted and this time try to comprehend what I said because obviously you didn’t the fist time.
You OP just proves you really know nothing of the millennial generation, nothing. The last 20 years of my career I worked mostly with millennials and you, and you sources couldn’t be more wrong.
You sources are wrong and written by people who have done no research what so ever, zero.
They parrot made up crap the gets traction without any verification or evidence.

It truly is sad that the older generations have to denigrate the generations coming up behind them.
It.Is.Sad……

PS, Faith, belief without evidence.



Posted by: Ronald Horvath | Sep 17, 2019 18:45

Great story, Jan.  And I believe every word.  But still some things bother me and I have questions not just for you but for the entire right wing.

 

If your belief in God is so strong how do you justify your support for what has to be the most irreligious "president" in our country's history?  How do you explain the religious right's blind support for a man who obviously believes in nothing but his own superiority, no matter how misguided that belief is?  How do you and the rest of American conservatism keep faith in your much avowed "principles" when your chief politician has no observable principles at all, none but self-enrichment and megalomania?  And how can Republicans deny his racism when he's the first American president with the open support of the KKK, Neo-Nazis, and white supremicist organizations?  And how can you keep talking about American as a "true beacon of freedom unmatched in the world today and also for centuries past" (ignoring three hundred years of slavery and a hundred years of Jim Crow) when our soulless "Dear leader" is doing everything he can to extinguish that beacon for most of the world and, indeed, for the majority of Americans of color as well?

 

I have to admit, Jan, that despite your repeated statements about your belief in God I have to wonder exactly what "God" you believe in.  Does trump walk in the footsteps of Christ?  Indeed, does he ever think about anyone, worry about anyone, attribute his "success" to anyone, but himself?  Does he admire the selfless workers in the desperate corners of the world or slavishly lust after the dictators with personal characteristics the same as his own? Certainly you can understand that these contradictions are glaring and are the real reason for the lack of faith in millennials.  They see this clash of realities even if you don't.

 

And they see modern Christianity as more self-absorbed than selfless.  You do realize your story was all about you, don't you.  Christ didn't say do unto yourself as you'd like to be done, but do unto others.  That's the part of Christ's equation that the right wing wants so badly to ignore.  Worshiping trump is no substitute.



Posted by: JUNE DOLCATER | Sep 17, 2019 18:00

Horvath, Riley and Stanley,,

I want to thank the three of you for making it quite clear that none of you understand the primary points in my article

1) Belief and faith in God. The only reference made on the subject was by Horvath that stated why should a millennial believe in God because of the perversion of some Roman Catholic priests.Nothing else was offered as a reason for believing in God and I question if any of you three do. Hopefully I am incorrect but as a rule if an individual does believe in God they are not reluctant to say so. I encourage  you to be reconciled to God and find true peace of mind. Leave the vitriol and anger away from your comments.

Riley attempts to say all of the references were from Fox or Limbaugh, etc. which is incorrect as the article quoted was the New York magazine which according to Media//Buzz is a left of center publication. No reference to God or patriotism

Stanley describes his son and he appears to be a well rounded conscientious person  Apparently a committed hard worker and I fully understand as I at one time followed that same pathway, and was very successful in business, organizations and social affairs and all seemed to be that I was off on a rise to the top of my profession, Anything I accomplished I did it my way without ever any consultation or input from God.  After close to 10 years of flying high I landed flat my rear end and went through a Chapter 11 bankruptcy. It was heartbreaking as I announced the news to 55 employees. Right before the announcement news at 4 o'clock one morning after a sleepless night I opened my heart to God and said if I lose every dollar I have from now on I will do it His way and NOT my own. Several moments later it was like a huge boulder was lifted from my back. From that point I worked for 7 long years with very limited resources and with the guidance and help of Almighty God I repaid $1,643.000 and started my life over. Over the years since then my faith In God has grown stronger and is not influenced by outside sources  As I see it deliverance by man is vain but my God it is everlasting

In regard to patriotism I have always had a strong interest of history of our county from the Founding Fathers forward and am proud to be an American. Yes, our nation has made errors along the way but it has consistently erased the problems and has produced the true beacon of freedom unmatched in the world today and also for centuries past.

One last point Ron, I served in the Air Force and was honorably discharged as a 1st Lt.

I hope each of you three will understand that I wish all believe in God and the future well being of our beloved country will be bright for us all.

Jan Dolcater, Rockland



Posted by: Kevin Riley | Sep 17, 2019 10:01

Ron,

He won't chew on any facts because he has his truth and is incapable of even entertaining the thought that he might be wrong.   That there may be something he doesn’t know and can learn.

Over 100 years of science, research and data means nothing to him and all deniers like him.
If it does not fit in with his personal world view it’s wrong.

It’s a very binary and narrow view of the world.

This is really easy for anyone with at least a high school education to understand.



Posted by: Kevin Riley | Sep 17, 2019 09:46

 

As I stated you never went to and read the data at the links provided.  It also appears you never even read my whole post.
Carter was not president in the early 20th century when the process of global warming was first described in the literature.

Global warming due to Co2 atmospheric loading from the burning of fossil fuels is not anything new. It’s been known for more than a century. At this point in our history we’ve reached a danger point. The links I provided gives you the time line but it appears you don’t want to do not want to hear that. Or you might learn something. You can deny it all you want don’t care but at least learn the history of the research and science.

Al gore doesn’t matter, the science matters.

As to Dr. Patrick Michaels the little research he has done has been funded by the fossil fuels industry, has published only 6 papers in his whole career of which only two were related to climate.

He works for the Cato Institute, not an unbiased organization.

Lastly on Dr. Michaels he rarely gets it right.

https://skepticalscience.com/patrick-michaels-history-getting-climate-wrong.html

Now I know just like my last post you will ignore the link, disregard this post and prattle on with all the denier talking points.

But why should you care. You, and I, will probably be dead before it gets really bad.

At this point it’s now so much mitigation but how humanity comes out at the other end.



Posted by: Ronald Horvath | Sep 17, 2019 09:29

I applaud your determination, Kevin, but trying to feed facts to Eric is like getting a spoiled five year old to eat broccoli (or getting trump to tell the truth.)

 

Oh, and Eric, here is some "truth" about your favorite climate change denier that you won't like.

 

"A review of claims made by the Cato Institute's Patrick Michaels over the last quarter century shows that he has repeatedly been proven wrong over time. Michaels is one of a few contrarian climate scientists who is often featured in the media without disclosure of his funding from the fossil fuel industry."

 

"Michaels' web publication, World Climate Report, and its skeptical predecessors have been heavily funded by coal and electric utility industries with a large financial stake in preventing regulation of greenhouse emissions."

 

"Patrick Michaels later refused to disclose the donors for New Hope Environmental Services in a trial where he was retained by automobile manufacturers and dealers attempting to prevent Vermont from regulating greenhouse gases...  Yet Michaels Accused Scientists Of Adjusting Data For Money.


https://skepticalscience.com/patrick-michaels-history-getting-climate-wrong.html

 

Chew on those facts, Eric.



Posted by: Eric Schrader | Sep 17, 2019 09:08

Ken: If you watch the video with Dr. Patrick Michaels, he explains the true origin of the climate change hysteria that goes back to the Carter administration. And by the way, Al Gore left office with a net worth of $ 3 million and it is estimated that he's worth $ 300 million. Check out this article that lays out the origins. A really good read.

https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/how-al-gore-built-the-global-warming-fraud



Posted by: Kevin Riley | Sep 16, 2019 20:39

Eric,

I know you won't go and read these pages, because you always say you never do, spelling out the time line for global warming and the history of the science and research. So I'll give you the Cliff's Notes. The scientific community has known about this since the early 20th century.
So based on your belief system a group of scientists, now dead, got together in the early 20th century and said “Hey, let’s start a myth now that will cause “income redistribution, wealth confiscation and wrecking the US economy with globalism” in the early 21st century.  That’s about it if I read you right.
BTW you can test the heat-trapping properties of Co2 in your garage with 2 sealed fish tanks, a heat lamp and a pyrometer.

https://history.aip.org/climate/index.htm

https://history.aip.org/climate/timeline.htm

 

Then there is this site for sceptics.

https://skepticalscience.com/cshistory.php

 

The this TV show from 1958 from AT&T.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-AXBbuDxRY



Posted by: Eric Schrader | Sep 16, 2019 19:52

All this hysteria about "climate change" is a crock. It has nothing to do with climate. It has everything to do with income redistribution, wealth confiscation and wrecking the US economy with globalism. First, it was the communist party, then the Green Party, then the Global Warming crowd, then the Climate Change crowd and now the crowning jewel, the Climate "Crisis" crowd that is wasting everyone's time. Until somebody does something about China, India, Brazil, Russia and the entire continent of Africa, you're blowing smoke up somebody's orifice. Need some good sleeping material? Read the Paris Climate Accords. Guaranteed to put you to sleep in less than 3 minutes. Speaking of minutes, take 15 minutes to learn the truth about climatology at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA5sGtj7QKQ.



Posted by: Ralph Stanley | Sep 16, 2019 18:43

I would think that Maine approaching a nearly 40% obesity rate would be of a much greater concern than whether or not some 35 year old Millennial is a threat to an American future. We are not alone state wise in these numbers. Global warming. The planet is warming up. Own it. Ocean temps are rising. The Penobscot Bay temperatures are increasing faster than the average. Water column temps are warmer to a greater degree than has been previously experienced Nordic Aqua has admitted to me in an office visit that they are concerned with warming. They however, wish to pursue their project before science and regulation prevent their project from ever seeing the light of day. They know it is coming and are hedging their bets, The Pentagon is concerned with a warming planet. They are also concerned that potential recruits will not be physically capable of serving their country. These are real problems, not some scorecard of percentages to define a particular age group.



Posted by: Ronald Horvath | Sep 16, 2019 07:36

I think you've nailed it, Ralph.  Saying that "this individuals need to project his/her fear to the future" is spot on, especially about American conservatism as a whole.

 

 



Posted by: Ralph Stanley | Sep 15, 2019 19:55

Peril awaits us without serious changes in understanding. Are you trying to understand what you have determined to be serious? You have no role to play in your perceptions and subsequent projections? I have a son. 35. Millennial to the core. Graduated from UMaine. Paid his bills. Bought his car second year in school. He was 5 when I was 30. He has a different outlook on what he wishes to do. Rents and cannot afford to buy at this point. Has a car, my old one. Has a garden he shares with his many friends. Climbs mountains. Hikes the Camden HIlls relentlessly. Helps his many friends based upon his building talents. If he has it, he will share what he has. Western Civilization history is poor. High School woefully inadequate. 3 weeks of solid holocaust history. Not much more. Engineer in college so not much historical interaction again. He pays his bills. He is good to his mother. I am not sure what is the problem here other than this individuals need to project his/her fear to the future.



Posted by: Anthony Charles Kulik | Sep 15, 2019 10:29

I am somewhat reassured by the survey you quoted. There might be hope for us after all.



Posted by: Kevin Riley | Sep 15, 2019 09:10

The leading edge of the millennial generation is in their 40s now.
What I see here are some that have never worked with or even talked to someone form that generation. Everything posted here about them by some are right out of the fox news, rush, right wing playbook. None if it is true but then again they need someone to denigrate and feel better about themselves. Read that they need to feel superior.
Every generation denigrates the  upcoming generation/generations without fail. The first documented case was Plato. You should read the things that were said about the post revolution generation. Oh wait, that’s history



Posted by: Kevin Riley | Sep 15, 2019 08:28

The United States was not founded on Christianity, the bible or "Judeo-Christian" principles. The term Judeo-Christian doesn't mean what you think it means.

The term "Judæo Christian" first appears in a letter from Alexander McCaul which is dated October 17, 1821. The term in this case referred to Jewish converts to Christianity. The term was similarly used by Joseph Wolff in 1829, in reference to a type of church that would observe some Jewish traditions in order to convert Jews.

Here's just one example that show the belief in Christian founding is false. Article 11 of the Treaty unanimously ratified by the Senate and signed by President John Adams.

“Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

Here’s President Adams signing statement.

“Now be it known, That I John Adams, President of the United States of America, having seen and considered the said Treaty do, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, accept, ratify, and confirm the same, and every clause and article thereof. And to the End that the said Treaty may be observed, and performed with good Faith on the part of the United States, I have ordered the premises to be made public; And I do hereby enjoin and require all persons bearing office civil or military within the United States, and all other citizens or inhabitants thereof, faithfully to observe and fulfill the said Treaty and every clause and article thereof.”

There are many, many more but we know conservative do read posts or study history.




Posted by: Ronald Horvath | Sep 15, 2019 07:35

Howl on , Eric, but Putin already has a dog named "Donald" whose loyalty he has no reason to question (since he bought and paid for it), considering trump's crawling dog act in front of him every time they meet.  Really, could the Dems do any worse.  Even the Israelis refuse to trust trump with secret information because they can't rely on him to keep his big mouth shut.

And, Jan, you should really read what I've already written.  It would answer many of your questions.  But since your comprehension has never been very good I'll try and clarify.

My patriotism is real enough.  It's simply not the false kind so prevalent among the right wing flag wavers  and statue worshipers.  My loyalty is to the principles of democracy and the welfare of my countrymen.  And my status as a Vietnam veteran is secure no matter what you think.  It seems the right wing just can't respect veterans unless they're dead, and silent(uncomplaining).  That alone tells us that Republicans were always the party of trump.  Tell me, Jan.  Have you ever worn the uniform of our country or, like trump, do you simply denigrate those who have.  How typically conservative.

That our nation was founded on a belief in God is questionable at best, Jan.    It was founded, like so many new world nations, by fortune hunters and people looking for a new chance at life, and to break away from a system of established wealth and privilege; the kind of thing that you and all conservatives want to re-establish in present day America.  Let's not forget that the religious colonies in early America were as restrictive and dogmatic as the old world faiths indicating that their faith wasn't in God but in armed oppression of anyone different or questioning of their authority, just like conservatives today.  It wasn't until the less religious showed up here that toleration and freedom of religion (and other things) was truly begun.  

And, once again, if you'd truly read my post you'd realize that the millennials' lack of religious faith is due to the bad behavior of the "faithful."  So, I'll say it again.  How can millennials believe in a God that has crooks, liars, egomaniacs, scam artists, sexual predators, control freaks, and hustlers fronting for him.  You may be able to avert your eyes to the crimes being committed in "his" name but millennials won't.  They see all too well that the only god worhiped by the right is wealth and the "freedom" you imagine whether in "thought, word, or deed" is the freedom to obey, the freedom not to question authority, the freedom to bow and submit, even the freedom to die of illness on the streets if the economic elite of the right wing deems it necessary rather than threaten their positions of power.  That's the only freedom you and the rest of the right will accept and the only "Judeo-Christian values" you care for are those that can be cherry picked to justify it.

And no, Jan, I am not "Jewish" though I can imagine why that matters to you.  I have Jewish blood from a Hungarian-Jewish grandfather who converted to Catholicism thinking it would bring him acceptance in that society only to find it didn't help and therefore emigrated to the US.  My only organized religious affiliation is Quaker the same people who were whipped and hung by the puritans of New England in the name of "religious freedom."

And you want an example of a successful socialist country?  Have you been living in a cave, Jan?  Most countries in Europe are socialist in some degree as are we, or do you not collect your Social Security, drive on our socialist roads and support our socialist supported military.  How about this example:


"Sweden is more capitalist than the U.S., so beware. Sweden has no minimum wage, no property taxes, no inheritance or gift taxes, lower corporate and capital gains taxes, less progressive income taxes (only a two tier flat tax), more corporations per capita and no government bailout of failing steel companies or auto industries (R.I.P. Saab, it was fun while it lasted).

As a result, the economy is booming and we can afford universal health care, subsidized child care, 390 days of paid parental leave, free college and free private schools and one of the highest standards of living on the planet. It's hell.”


-Mats Österholm, who works at Royal Swedish Navy



I know that you're going to say that Sweden isn't a major country but tell me, Jan, why Israel can have universal health care and free education if the US cannot.  It's like asking why trump shut down the government to get five billion for his wall but then pulled twelve billion out of his butt as a socialist give a way for farmers screwed by his tariffs.

 

So, once again, socialism is alright when it's politically advantageous for the right?  Explain that, Jan, if you can or is it just another example of socialism for the rich when it serves their purposes.

And since you mentioned Lincoln here's his take on it:

"The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves in their separate, and individual capacities. In all that the people can individually do as well for themselves, government ought not to interfere. The desirable things which the individuals of a people can not do, or can not well do, for themselves, fall into two classes: those which have relation to wrongs, and those which have not. Each of these branch off into an infinite variety of subdivisions. The first that in relation to wrongs embraces all crimes, misdemeanors, and nonperformance of contracts. The other embraces all which, in its nature, and without wrong, requires combined action, as public roads and highways, public schools, charities, pauperism, orphanage, estates of the deceased, and the machinery of government itself. From this it appears that IF all men were just, there still would be some, though not so much, need for government."

-Abraham Lincoln - July 1, 1851

 

Well, I won't argue the economy with you any more, Jan, since I've provided plenty of factual information to show that your economy is "growing" for about twenty percent of Americans.  The rest are in a questionable situation and it's beginning to look even more questionable as the weeks go by.  trump's desperation and constant attempts at distraction is proof of that.  But you always ignore any "facts" that don't fit your cloud of unknowing.  That's the great fault of the right that they think ignoring reality is the road to political success.  I'm sure the French aristocracy thought the same thing.

And how did that work out for them again?



Posted by: JUNE DOLCATER | Sep 14, 2019 11:11

Ron, It would helpful to you if you were fully aware of the facts of this survey. It noted the change in opinions  from 21 years ago to today  For the most part your hatred of Trump dominated your first several paragraphs. I also checked on the media bias website and it indicates that the New York magazine that detailed this article primarily leans left of center.

Now lets take a look on the subject of patriotism. You indicate that being a patriot is a place for scoundrels to hide. Personally I prefer to reference individuals from our long history from  the founding fathers through Lincoln, and more recent leaders such as Reagan as patriots. It is surprising to me that you claim to be a veteran of 'alleged honor' yet your patriotism appears to be close to nil. Pathetic.!

You put forward the question how can a millennial believe in God. All of us including yourself have the self will to make that decision. God never forces us to believe or not. Do you belief in God? I understand that you are Jewish, but that should not interfere with beliefs in Judeo-Christian values. Personally, I cannot imagine not believing in God with all of creation and the wonders that exist around us without acknowledging  this reality. As I expressed  in my article our nation was founded on belief in God and our currency today is inscribed with In God We Trust. If that ever changes as it appears from the lack of belief of the millennials It is inevitable that the future will be very bleak.

I did not intend to inject party affiliation into my article but in view of the venom in your cut and paste, I will refer back to the New York magazine article. It referenced the differences by Democrat and Republican as follows;

Democrat                       Republican

Patriotism                     43%                                82%

Belief in God                 38%                               70%

Having children             36%                               55^

It is my prayer that this nation will be proud of our history that has produced a nation of freedom in thought, word and deed. Hopefully, you set aside your hatred of Trump long enough to acknowledge that the accomplishments in lowering unemployment in Asian, Black and women is at an all time low and that the economy is growing at a faster pace than any other in the world.

By the way can you name any major country that has ever been successful in embracing socialism, was it Russia, Argentina, Venezuela ?

Jan Dolcater, Rockland

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Posted by: JUNE DOLCATER | Sep 14, 2019 11:11

Ron, It would helpful to you if you were fully aware of the facts of this survey. It noted the change in opinions  from 21 years ago to today  For the most part your hatred of Trump dominated your first several paragraphs. I also checked on the media bias website and it indicates that the New York magazine that detailed this article primarily leans left of center.

Now lets take a look on the subject of patriotism. You indicate that being a patriot is a place for scoundrels to hide. Personally I prefer to reference individuals from our long history from  the founding fathers through Lincoln, and more recent leaders such as Reagan as patriots. It is surprising to me that you claim to be a veteran of 'alleged honor' yet your patriotism appears to be close to nil. Pathetic.!

You put forward the question how can a millennial believe in God. All of us including yourself have the self will to make that decision. God never forces us to believe or not. Do you belief in God? I understand that you are Jewish, but that should not interfere with beliefs in Judeo-Christian values. Personally, I cannot imagine not believing in God with all of creation and the wonders that exist around us without acknowledging  this reality. As I expressed  in my article our nation was founded on belief in God and our currency today is inscribed with In God We Trust. If that ever changes as it appears from the lack of belief of the millennials It is inevitable that the future will be very bleak.

I did not intend to inject party affiliation into my article but in view of the venom in your cut and paste, I will refer back to the New York magazine article. It referenced the differences by Democrat and Republican as follows;

Democrat                       Republican

Patriotism                     43%                                82%

Belief in God                 38%                               70%

Having children             36%                               55^

It is my prayer that this nation will be proud of our history that has produced a nation of freedom in thought, word and deed. Hopefully, you set aside your hatred of Trump long enough to acknowledge that the accomplishments in lowering unemployment in Asian, Black and women is at an all time low and that the economy is growing at a faster pace than any other in the world.

By the way can you name any major country that has ever been successful in embracing socialism, was it Russia, Argentina, Venezuela ?

Jan Dolcater, Rockland

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Posted by: Eric Schrader | Sep 14, 2019 10:33

Hey Horvath, crawl back under your rock where all the other trolls hang out. You'll be in good company with all the dingbat DEMS that want to be the next President. I can just see Mayor Buttigeigggggggg in front of Xi, Putin and the Mullahs negotiating world peace. And Putin turns to him as says "Are you related to Alfred E. Newman"?



Posted by: Ronald Horvath | Sep 14, 2019 06:10

Well, if it isn't Eric the Hysteric, shrieking out his defiance to critical thinking.  How does it feel to be a ranking member of trump's "poorly informed."  Oh, wait, you never tire of telling us, do you.  Howl on.



Posted by: Eric Schrader | Sep 14, 2019 05:54

Hey "Cut and Paste", I thought you moved out of Maine. Millennials, aka "The Slacker Generation" are also the entitled generation, who got gold stars just for showing up and participating. Now, in the real world, you have to perform and be a contributor to society, not a taker all the time. Just look at Breadline Bernie and Pocahontas Warren's followers.



Posted by: Mary A McKeever | Sep 13, 2019 15:55

I read and now am depressed! What a glum future you envision. Sadly!



Posted by: Ronald Horvath | Sep 13, 2019 14:29

Really, Jan?  Do you really want your "reality" imposed on another generation whose life experiences don't mesh with your own and whose knowledge of recent history is probably more accurate than yours.  Are you so sure that the world as you see it is the real world and the world as millennials see it so wrong?  Maybe if you saw it through their eyes you'd have more questions to ask and fewer empty proclamation about the "dustbin of history" to make.

 

How about we compare definitions.  What exactly do you mean by "patriotism?"  Can you blame millennials for disdaining the false patriotism of trump supporters who worship a draft-dodger who has used his office for self-dealing, engaged in obvious lies and bombast and character assassination, all the while cozying up to dictators and autocrats?  And this poor example of a human being is now the standard bearer of the Republican party and conservatism in America?  How should millennials react to this obvious contradiction in "patriotism" except to be reminded of Johnson's wisdom about patriotism as "the last refuge of a scoundrel."  H.L. Mencken went ever further.

 

"Patriotism, in truth, is the great nursery of scoundrels, and its annual output is probably greater than that of even religion. Its chief glories are the demagogue, the military bully, and the spreaders of libels and false history.  Its philosophy rests firmly on the doctrine that the end justifies the means--that any blow, whether above or below the belt, is fair against dissenters from its wholesale denial of plain facts.”

 

Millennials, by watching trump's chaotic performance, see the truth in this every day even if you refuse to see it.

 

And what benefit does belief in "God" hold for millennials in an age of rampant hypocrisy among the organized religions of our society.  How can they accept "belief in God" with so many sexual predators among the clergy of various religions, or of economic predation by so many televangelists with their private jets, million-dollar mansions and smarmy "joel osman" smiles.  Clearly the examples of organized religion that millennials see every day are riddled with hypocrisy.  Why should they "fear" God when the chief voices of American religion obviously don't and spend their days and energies contradicting everything Christ ever stood for?  As Gandhi famously said, "“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

 

And having children wouldn't be so problematic for millenials if our "raging" economy could support the having of families.  So many of them are burdened with student loans that will take a lifetime to repay while struggling to find a job that can provide the requirements of life that they can't see a future of anything but a single existence of living paycheck to paycheck, even with two or three jobs. Certainly I'm sure things were better for you during your lifetime but then conservatives are notorious for seeing the world through their own experience and refusing to empathize with anyone else not so fortunate.

 

This is the reality of today's world:

78% of US workers live paycheck to paycheck.

 

48% of older American have no retirement savings.

 

42% of Americans make less than $15/hr.

 

40% of Americans hold a second job.

 

45 million Americans hold $1.65 trillion in student debt.

 

And before you start bloviating about trump's economy:

 

States with more conservatives are considerably poorer than those with more liberals.  Conservative political affiliation is highly negatively correlated with income ( -.65) and even more so with hourly earnings (-.79). Columbia University's Andrew Gelman's influential book Red State, Blue State, Rich State, Poor State sheds light on this phenomenon. While rich voters trend Republican, Gelman and his colleagues found, rich states trend Democratic...  American politics is increasingly disconnected from its economic engine.  And this deepening political divide has become perhaps the biggest bottleneck on the road to long-run prosperity.”
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/03/the-conservative-states-of-america/71827/

 

Or this:

 

"Millions of middle-class Americans are just one missed paycheck away from poverty, with 4 of 10 considered "liquid-asset poor," or without enough money socked away to cope with even a sudden disruption in income...  Despite the lowest unemployment rate in decades and solid economic growth, many Americans are on thin financial ice"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/40-of-americans-one-step-from-poverty-if-they-miss-a-paycheck/?fbclid=IwAR3kg9s1658jHNZoCD1080nQTVDO1SCGRgWqpIqw0s17qjkOvhxq3kbctY4


 

Indeed, millenials have only to look at all the red states living off the government dole while blue states pay the tab to realize that listening to conservatives talk about "hard work" only points out the hypocrisy of the secret socialism of right wing America; socialism for the rich and scraps for the rest. 

 

And while we're on the subject of socialism let me put out a true definition instead of the paranoid hysteria peddled by the right:

 

"Socialism isn’t fundamentally about public ownership of private resources. It is about collective action in pursuit of common goals, where private action has destroyed or damaged the common good. It is demonized by concentrated private wealth precisely because it is so effective at redressing so many of the problems that concentrated private wealth has inflicted on society and the world."
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/04/05/capitalism-or-socialism-which-will-it-be?fbclid=IwAR3b7A1vVIP_2oos4r5dPiKdCAv6PbI0l7uN4hTf4C9iTDaWeGK8yMRUKME

 

And trump is surely the manifestation of what has been "inflicted on society and the world" by capitalism.  Maybe it's not a lack of patriotism or faith in God that is the problem, Jan, but a lack of faith in a system that has failed so many.  And the millennials, unlike you, aren't blind to that fact.



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